-interest and-- >> well, they take their cues-- >> i think the n.r.a. shot themselves, a ridiculous metaphor, for some of its recently. they're independent unions and feel they have to do this. >> you think it's tone deaf, but the folks that reach out and say we justifiably need ting this is about justice their cause, aren't they? >> what else do they have. >> neil: what do you think of that, adam, what else do they have? >> that's been my point. i mean, they're fighting for a dwindling share here. so, the alternative-- >> by ticking everybody off, right? >> no, by the way, charles said that they need to make sacrifices. unions have made sacrifices over and over. if you look at concessions they've made in the auto industry, for example, they've made concessions, they've worked-- >> adam, adam. >> they're doing pretty well. >> adam, they make concessions after too late. in other words, they didn't make the concessions as the thing was falling apart. after all the wheels have come off, then they say, hey, by the way-- >> that is a perfect example. the auto industry, the private sector union o
